Gaming Xbox "One" Reveal!
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That's the price if you pay it by month. But for 12 months it is $50 which comes out to $4.16/month
The used game and DRM restrictions are more or less the same between the two consoles. The only real difference is that Sony shifts blame to publishers/developers. They said that their own first party games will have no restrictions, but outside of that, all third party games are subject to the developers' will. And if you think that a developer is going to limit their opportunities to sell on one console or the other by treating their titles differently on an individual platform basis, you're probably wrong. If Bungie, just for example, decides to charge fees on used XB1 copies of Destiny, they will do so on PS4 copies as well. So the differences will probably be pretty minimal when it's all said and done.
Neither console has stellar exclusive game lineups. And no matter which console you choose, there's always going to be a game or two you're going to be disappointed you are going to miss out on. It's inevitable. So unless there's that ONE franchise (Halo, for instance.. although by the spiraling popularity we've seen in the last 2 or 3 iterations, depending on who you ask, might not be as big of a deal as it once was) that you just absolutely can't live without, then there's not going to be a huge difference between games, either. Most major titles are hitting both consoles.
So really what it comes down to is where you personally place value for the next console. I, personally, don't game NEARLY as much as I did a few years ago. Maybe once or twice a week. Sometimes I'll go more than a week between gaming. It happens to a lot of us as we get older. And in gaming less, the online check-ins become pretty much a moot point. If my internet goes down for a day, and I'm unable to game, I'll live. Hell, chances are I may not have cared to game that day anyway. For me, I really have to weigh those features other than gaming pretty heavily. And in that market, XBOX wins handily. No question. They offer many more services than the PS4 does. It's just the plain ol truth. ESPN, HBO Go, Amazon Instant Videos, and Vevo, just to name a few of the big ones. Top it off with:
-300,000 servers primed with shifting the console's workload to the cloud so that they can create larger, richer experiences on the fly
-Great social overlay on top of my cable box meshing gaming, tv, and all other forms of media seamlessly
-Smartglass integration with games (anyone see the demo for The Division?)
-High-tech Kinect 2.0 that so insanely advanced, accurate, and has ridiculous untapped potential down the line
-The promise of fleshed out home automation systems in the future
For someone who is considering dropping several hundred for a new console, but doesn't game as avidly as in the past, and this thing is supposed to last me for 5-8 years.. hell even a decade, the choice starts to become pretty clear. Things can definitely change between now and Christmas (when I plan on getting one of these), and I'm definitely doing my research and keeping an open mind, but right now I'm definitely leaning XB1. The PS4 just hasn't done much to sway ME and what I need.
Neither console has stellar exclusive game lineups. And no matter which console you choose, there's always going to be a game or two you're going to be disappointed you are going to miss out on. It's inevitable. So unless there's that ONE franchise (Halo, for instance.. although by the spiraling popularity we've seen in the last 2 or 3 iterations, depending on who you ask, might not be as big of a deal as it once was) that you just absolutely can't live without, then there's not going to be a huge difference between games, either. Most major titles are hitting both consoles.
So really what it comes down to is where you personally place value for the next console. I, personally, don't game NEARLY as much as I did a few years ago. Maybe once or twice a week. Sometimes I'll go more than a week between gaming. It happens to a lot of us as we get older. And in gaming less, the online check-ins become pretty much a moot point. If my internet goes down for a day, and I'm unable to game, I'll live. Hell, chances are I may not have cared to game that day anyway. For me, I really have to weigh those features other than gaming pretty heavily. And in that market, XBOX wins handily. No question. They offer many more services than the PS4 does. It's just the plain ol truth. ESPN, HBO Go, Amazon Instant Videos, and Vevo, just to name a few of the big ones. Top it off with:
-300,000 servers primed with shifting the console's workload to the cloud so that they can create larger, richer experiences on the fly
-Great social overlay on top of my cable box meshing gaming, tv, and all other forms of media seamlessly
-Smartglass integration with games (anyone see the demo for The Division?)
-High-tech Kinect 2.0 that so insanely advanced, accurate, and has ridiculous untapped potential down the line
-The promise of fleshed out home automation systems in the future
For someone who is considering dropping several hundred for a new console, but doesn't game as avidly as in the past, and this thing is supposed to last me for 5-8 years.. hell even a decade, the choice starts to become pretty clear. Things can definitely change between now and Christmas (when I plan on getting one of these), and I'm definitely doing my research and keeping an open mind, but right now I'm definitely leaning XB1. The PS4 just hasn't done much to sway ME and what I need.
Just as a note, Halo 4 sold just a hair under its best-selling title (Halo 3), so its sales have been actually increasing, not decreasing.
At the beginning, I thought Kingdom Hearts 3 was an exclusive for PS4, but it turns out that it's not exclusive. And Elder Scrolls is only exclusive in beta. So, in the battle of exclusives, it's Halo 5 vs. yet another Killzone and a host of unimpressive indie games. Not even including the One's superior TV and entertainment possibilities, the One wins that one for me. I mean, if it's all about indie games, just go to Steam Greenlight. When I'm buying a game, I almost always (unless its a particularly great indie title) want the developers who have the money to make a great product -- that's why Greenlight games are between "free" and "cheapo"
At the beginning, I thought Kingdom Hearts 3 was an exclusive for PS4, but it turns out that it's not exclusive. And Elder Scrolls is only exclusive in beta. So, in the battle of exclusives, it's Halo 5 vs. yet another Killzone and a host of unimpressive indie games. Not even including the One's superior TV and entertainment possibilities, the One wins that one for me. I mean, if it's all about indie games, just go to Steam Greenlight. When I'm buying a game, I almost always (unless its a particularly great indie title) want the developers who have the money to make a great product -- that's why Greenlight games are between "free" and "cheapo"
Hell, if it's about indie games, look at Project Spark! Granted, it's for Win8 as well, but most of the PS4's indie games are available on Windows too.
So if I decide to facepalm myself for doing something stupid in a game the fucking Kinect will activate and fuck up my game some more. Wonderful.
I people in my household. Generally female people. I dont think it is very smooth of the stupid Ecksbawks to turn on in the middle of.... things.... simply because it hears my voice say a keyword. Whats better is NSA CAN ACTIVATE YOUR CONSOLE at any time they choose and snoop around, which includes accessing the camera for video feeds.... nothin like homemade porno for those people.
Backwards compatible? Not a chance. Wanna borrow a game? Sorry dude you got to pay for that. Also I wonder if they have to pay the fucking fee every time they insert the disc or turn on the console to play it. If so thats even worse.
I pray to whatever god/gods/goddesses might or might not exist (I am not religious so this is a huge step for me) that they leave the 360 up for years to come since this is the kind of product they are selling now.
I people in my household. Generally female people. I dont think it is very smooth of the stupid Ecksbawks to turn on in the middle of.... things.... simply because it hears my voice say a keyword. Whats better is NSA CAN ACTIVATE YOUR CONSOLE at any time they choose and snoop around, which includes accessing the camera for video feeds.... nothin like homemade porno for those people.
Backwards compatible? Not a chance. Wanna borrow a game? Sorry dude you got to pay for that. Also I wonder if they have to pay the fucking fee every time they insert the disc or turn on the console to play it. If so thats even worse.
I pray to whatever god/gods/goddesses might or might not exist (I am not religious so this is a huge step for me) that they leave the 360 up for years to come since this is the kind of product they are selling now.
Most of these complaints are either things that the PS4/PS3/Xbox 360 have done, or are easily remedied by trying the camera around. And are you really going to say 'Xbox On' in the middle of things?
Unless, you know, you cut the power to it. You're preaching like an uneducated child.
If that is a specific command phrase to turn the POS that the One is on then no I wouldnt. But sorry for me being offended by having a camera in my own god damn house that is watching me 24/7. It does bother the fuck out of me and since it is required to use the console it is not something I would ever purchase. It is something that could just as easily be hacked by an outside source to provide camera access to my house. What if my kids are home? For all I know somebody could access it and be watching them. Is that supposed to put me at ease? There is a reason why I dont allow webcams in my home.
More over complaints about the lack of it being backwards compatible, fees for loaning a game to a friend, required to be online, lack of service outside of select countries who are selling it, are all legit complaints which Microsoft didnt address at E3 after the initial reveal. Its a sorry excuse of technology to me. Sure it is pretty with its new graphics (though I have better graphics with my PC) but I dont give a damn about the graphics. Give me stickmen and good mechanics anyday over "shiny things".
The TV crap they have been boasting about are services I already get through my TV provider. I already get HBO and HD and all that shit. So why would I buy a system that is doing what I all ready have being done?
Nothing about this console is attractive to me. I have never liked Sony products beyond the walkman (The old school cassette version) but even the PS4 is more attractive to me than this thing. Not that I would buy the PS4 mind you but the point is that the One is being outclassed by it to me.
You might want to go back to Geppetto's and have him carve a brain. How often do you unplug your console these days? How about a computer? TV? Webcam? Seriously thats what it would require for them not to be able to access it. If I am having to unplug everything after each use (though it doesnt stop them from accessing it while it is in use) then why would I want it again? The convenience factor is at absolute zero if I always have to unplug it.
Oh and if you dont like the snappy comeback then kiss my ass. You earned it.
Yes I am an angry SOB about this. Nothing personal against you (other than you saying I am uneducated when I am a mother fucking teacher) but the damn thing pisses me off.
I don't know if this is true, but this is what I *think* is going on with the One:
It's not spying on you, its just waiting for voice recognition, just like your computer is "on" and waiting for you to press a button. Basic electronic "vitals" are ongoing, minimum amount of power usage (just like sleep mode) and some daemon running. In this case, it's running the voice recognition daemon, which will only turn your Xbox on if it hears your voice say "Xbox on". It's not watching you, it can't see anything, and nobody can see through it, it's just a daemon to make voice turn-on (if you know what I mean) a reality. For example, there's a daemon that runs on the 360: your 360 is always on waiting for a controller to be turned on, or for you to press the power button (which isn't even a button on the Slim). That's all it's doing, keeping the minimum amount of power it needs to just sit and wait for a cue -- once it gets that, it turns "fully on".
Of course, there's plenty good reasons to be wary of that technology, but the only question in my mind is if the voice recognition isn't practically perfect (I think it'll be damn good though), it would ruin the whole experience. I don't want my Xbox turning on randomly, I don't want somebody else to be able to troll me by screaming "Xbox Off"... but, let's just assume Microsoft has done a great job with voice recognition and it only will recognize your voice and the proper command. Even then, I'm willing to bet that there's an off option for the voice recognition (and thereby, the "always on" thing). We're really just going to have to see how it plays out, because this is all speculation, but as a software engineer, that is exactly how I would manage the One. A great low-power voice recognition daemon to turn on technology? That's pretty damn sweet if you ask me, and with no security concerns (again, this is a daemon), an easy buy in my eyes... if only it was just a bit cheaper, it'd seem way more reasonable.
It's not spying on you, its just waiting for voice recognition, just like your computer is "on" and waiting for you to press a button. Basic electronic "vitals" are ongoing, minimum amount of power usage (just like sleep mode) and some daemon running. In this case, it's running the voice recognition daemon, which will only turn your Xbox on if it hears your voice say "Xbox on". It's not watching you, it can't see anything, and nobody can see through it, it's just a daemon to make voice turn-on (if you know what I mean) a reality. For example, there's a daemon that runs on the 360: your 360 is always on waiting for a controller to be turned on, or for you to press the power button (which isn't even a button on the Slim). That's all it's doing, keeping the minimum amount of power it needs to just sit and wait for a cue -- once it gets that, it turns "fully on".
Of course, there's plenty good reasons to be wary of that technology, but the only question in my mind is if the voice recognition isn't practically perfect (I think it'll be damn good though), it would ruin the whole experience. I don't want my Xbox turning on randomly, I don't want somebody else to be able to troll me by screaming "Xbox Off"... but, let's just assume Microsoft has done a great job with voice recognition and it only will recognize your voice and the proper command. Even then, I'm willing to bet that there's an off option for the voice recognition (and thereby, the "always on" thing). We're really just going to have to see how it plays out, because this is all speculation, but as a software engineer, that is exactly how I would manage the One. A great low-power voice recognition daemon to turn on technology? That's pretty damn sweet if you ask me, and with no security concerns (again, this is a daemon), an easy buy in my eyes... if only it was just a bit cheaper, it'd seem way more reasonable.
I'm definitely reserving judgment on the X1 (I refuse to jump on the "XBone" bandwagon). Sure, it looks terrible now, but they may well have done everything pretty right. It's just hard to tell right now without having any third party accounts of how it all works. Naturally, right now, I'm really feeling the PS4, but I'm going to have to wait. Once the consoles are released, I'll be refreshing all the front pages of the major gaming/tech websites I know of. I've just got this nagging feeling in the back of my head that there's something about the X1 that we're all missing. We'll see...
That's the thing... I WANT to be on the Xbox Bandwagon. I REALLY want to buy a Microsoft console, and before the press conferences, I was excited for the new consoles. And then the new consoles, were announced, and Microsoft made so many PR mistakes. I am trying to not finalize my descisions now, but the xbone looks shitty to say the least. xD
Jesus Mircosoft, going forward, you NEED a better PR team. xD
Jesus Mircosoft, going forward, you NEED a better PR team. xD
I jumped on no bandwagon. Absolutely none of the features they promoted or even mentioned are appealing to me. I have already said my stuff on this so I wont do it again. Just wanted to make it clear that I didnt jump on the bandwagon, I was pissed off to start with. Once the morons opened their mouths at its initial reveal I hated the damn thing.
That's a shame. I'm sorry you won't be able to join me and my friends in Battlefield 4, or anybody on the site on Halo. Your loss, I guess.
I'm not trying to attack you, I just think it's a shame you'll be missing out.
Right now, I am completely defiant towards the direction of the console gaming industry. It's just depressing to watch it be devoured into a digital abyss of anti-consumerism born from paranoia induced greed. The light of the golden age of gaming has been snuffed out by the gale of the oncoming storm. Falsehoods and hypocracies spew forth from the dishonest grins of digital snake oil salesmem, duping the easily manipulated by distracting them with shiny things wrought from dark intentions. Darkness looms on the horizon.
/overdramatics
/overdramatics
So I haven't been following much console news at the moment so I'm not exactly familiar with everything that's been going on, but I heard something from a friend of mine about games being saved to the cloud servers. What he told me was that eventually Microsoft would be unable to keep these servers online and would have to shut them down, which in turn would then remove our access to our games.
I haven't been able to find any articles that are related to that sort of thing, so I was just wondering if that's actually true. At the moment it's the only thing that I've heard about that's made me not want to get an Xbox One.
I haven't been able to find any articles that are related to that sort of thing, so I was just wondering if that's actually true. At the moment it's the only thing that I've heard about that's made me not want to get an Xbox One.
I would rather be missing out of those games than be spied upon. I would rather miss out on those few games for the hundreds if not thousands of other games they will reduce to trash because they cut their cloud servers so you cant even play them. The list goes on and on.
I know your not attacking me, and yes I am sorry for being an ass earlier but it is how I am. I just feel sorry for you that your willingly allowing people to spy on your home, invade what little privacy we have left and are fine with years worth of games becoming trash. Being willing to pay for games you already own all over again. That, to me, is sad and I truly am sorry for people who go along with it.
I really don't see why everyone thinks that the Kinect is there to spy on you. None of these 'problems' really make a difference to me. By the time the cloud servers are shut down, we would have moved onto a new generation of consoles, and I have never replayed any game from previous generations. I don't borrow/lend out games, I rarely buy games and will only buy games that I really want. I have an above average connection, which is going to be upgraded to fibre optic soon. The only real problem I have/had was that it requires a HDTV (which I don't own) to work, which I could easily remedy before the consoles launch.
And remember, none of this is set in stone. The 360 has gone through several iterations in it's time, so it wouldn't be too unlikely that the same would happen to the One.
Another thing that annoys me, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is that Microsoft are effectively being denounced as the Anti Christ of gaming, because a few unpopular policies.